Feel dirty?
Reading headlines and so called studies claiming that electric cars are actually a lot more poluting then diesel cars. Like this one.Study: German Mid-Sized E-Cars Produce Less CO2 Than Diesel Autos – But Only After 585,000 Kilometers! -Wrong
What they want you to think:
This may not be the whole truth but a lot closer:
- What they don't tell you is that when doing the studies they don't account for any of the CO2 that is produce getting gas and diesel from the well to the fuel tank. That way they only count for the CO2 from burning the fuel in car car and nothing else.
- When they do the calculations for the electric car they count everything from producing the power to using it in the car, and very often they use the worst case for producing the power.
- They pick the state or country with the worst energi mix. Norway its almost 100% renewable. Denmark is about 50%, California 30%, Nevada 18% New York 20%. Every day more and more renewable energi is installed, These number will only get better.
- When calculation the CO2 cost of producing a electric car they also make a lot of assumptions, they assume that the electric cars cost exactly the same amount of CO2, and then add CO2 costs for the battery. thereby assuming all the parts only used in a petrol or diesel car (Engine, Transmission, Cats, filters, etc.) don't produce any CO2.
They are using CO2 to distract us from the truth.
- CO2 is no where near the worst part of burning fuels. When we burn fossil fuels in our cities we create local pollution and spread NOx and other emissions. Emissions that's actually shortening everyone life.
- In Denmark a country with only 6 million people 3.700 people dies every year from pollution. WHO estimates that every year 7 million people die from air pollution.
If you take this into account, even from the very first mile of driving an electric car. you are saving us all from being exposed to pollution.
But electricity is made from fossil fuels like coal, so we might as well just use gasoline and diesel right? -Wrong.
Even when electric vehicles are charged in regions that derive much of their electricity from the burning of fossil fuels, the electricity production needed to charge electric vehicles is still considerably less harmful to the environment than filling up an ICE vehicle gas tank. For example, as of July 2018, according to the U.S. Department of Energy’s Alternative Fuels Data Center, even in Texas — one of the states with the highest amount of electricity coming from fossil fuels at 75% — emissions related to the production of electricity used in electric vehicles are still over 22% lower than gasoline cars and almost 5% lower than plug-in hybrid vehicles. In states with a much higher proportion of electricity generated from renewable energy generation, such as California, the efect of lower emissions from driving electric vehicles as compared to gasoline or plug-in hybrid vehicles is far greater. The reality is that while burning gasoline won’t get cleaner, driving on electricity continues to get cleaner — all while delivering immediate health and environmental benefits. Governments around the world are recognizing the harmful impact of ICE vehicle emissions, with Norway, India, France and others aiming to ban sales of ICE vehicles as soon as the next decade.
In 2017 a 85kW battery cost 6Tons of CO2, this is only getting better.
Tesla Gigafactory 1
Tesla is making the batteries for model 3 at Gigafactory 1. It will be 100% running on renewable energy sources, Making the CO2 cost from the manufacturing very minimal.
Here is what Tesla writes in there impact report 2019.
Unlike our Fremont Factory which was purchased and renovated, Tesla designed and built from the ground up our Gigafactory 1, a battery and motor manufacturing facility in Sparks, Nevada, allowing us to design and implement sustainable solutions throughout the site from the beginning. Gigafactory 1 began mass production of lithium-ion battery cells in January 2017 and started manufacturing Model 3 battery packs and drive units in mid-2018. At 15M sq ft, Gigafactory 1 will be the world's largest building by footprint when completed and will eventually be powered by 100% renewable energy sources. Tesla built Gigafactory 1 with an efcient lighting design utilizing high-efciency LED light fixtures combined with an optimized layout that reduces the facility’s overall electrical load. Gigafactory 1’s current lighting power density is 0.45 watts per sq ft, which is 65% less than the American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning Engineers (ASHRAE) lighting design allowance of 1.3 watts per sq ft for a manufacturing facility. In the course of 30 days, the facility’s lighting system can save 144 MWhs of energy – enough energy for a Model S to drive 480K miles. Designed to be a net-zero energy factory upon completion, the facility will have the largest rooftop solar array in the world, with roughly 200K solar panels. Solar installation is already underway, in addition to a microgrid R&D facility.
Tesla is also making solar cells and powerbanks.
Actually Tesla Solar energy generation is more the 2 times the consumption of all Teslas produced.
Tesla Power Packs in use around the world.
When Hurricane Maria struck Puerto Rico in September 2017, destroying thousands of homes and cutting electric grid power on the island, the initial emergency response was focused on deploying diesel generators to provide temporary electricity. In addition to releasing harmful emissions and requiring constant refueling and maintenance, these generators were extremely loud and not designed to run for long periods, so many failed. In response, Tesla provided over 1K battery storage systems paired with solar panels to deliver reliable and emissions-free electricity to over 660 locations throughout Puerto Rico, such as the Hospital del NiƱo Children’s Hospital in San Juan.In December 2017, Tesla turned on the world’s largest lithium-ion battery in South Australia. A 50-year storm had damaged critical infrastructure in this region, causing a statewide blackout and leaving 1.7M residents without electricity. As a result, the local government looked for a sustainable solution to ensure energy security for all residents, and Tesla, with the developer, Neoen, were selected to work on this project. Tesla provided a 100 MW / 129 MWh Powerpack system to be paired with Neoen’s Hornsdale Wind Farm near Jamestown and completed the project in less than 100 days. Just a few weeks after, when a major coal-fired power plant failed, Tesla’s battery system was activated in mere milliseconds to help stabilize the electric grid. This grid scale energy storage project is an example of a zero-emissions solution that is helping to reduce power outages and improving the reliability of South Australia’s electrical infrastructure.
Tilburg Factory in Netherlands
Tesla’s Tilburg Factory in the Netherlands serves as the local assembly, quality testing and distribution point for Model S and Model X vehicles sold in the European Union (EU). The Tilburg Factory houses a 3.4 MW solar array that consists of almost 10.5K solar modules. This solar system generates enough electricity to meet the Tilburg Factory’s energy needs throughout most of the year. To put the magnitude of the installation in perspective, it is the size of almost 3 European football fields and between July 2017 to June 2018 generated an amount of electricity that would have been sufcient to power 942 households in the region. In other words, the solar power captured by this system from that same time period would be sufcient to meet the energy needs for electric vehicles to drive a combined total of over 16.7M km (10.4M miles).

Electric vs. Plug-in-Hybrid vs Diesel vs. Average fossil car (Numbers for Denmark)
See full report (In Danish) here: Klimaraadet
Tesla drivers have saved over 340 million pounds CO2
- With their ability to go from zero to 60 miles per hour in just 2.5 seconds, electric vehicles from Tesla Motors obliterate comparable gas cars in performance. And they do it with much lower greenhouse gas emissions. Mean and green.
- Tesla Model S and X drivers have saved at least 340,000,000 pounds of greenhouse gasses since the Model S began shipping in 2012.
How Are Tesla Emissions Savings Calculated?
Teslas eliminate all tailpipe emissions that would otherwise come with driving a gas car. However, EV owners still need to use quite a lot of electricity. There are currently still emissions created by producing electricity. Fortunately, emissions per mile associated with generating electricity are lower than those associated with extracting, refining, distributing and burning gasoline in all but a few narrow scenarios in the U.S. (e.g. certain Midwest power markets)
The battery in an electric car lasts a long time. A Tesla battery should last 10-20 years. And even when its not suited for use in a car lets say in 20 years time its down to 60-80% capasity it can still be used as a home battery/powerwall, as capasity pr. kg/pund is not a factor. And even when the battery is totally dead 95% of the resources can be reused.
Gasoline vs Electric—Who Wins on Lifetime Global Warming Emissions? We Found Out
I’m excited to introduce our newest analysis on electric cars, titled: Cleaner Cars from Cradle to Grave: How Electric Cars Beat Gasoline Cars in Lifetime Global Warming Emissions. After years of mixed messages on whether electric vehicles (EVs) really are better for the environment, we’re pleased to provide one of the most comprehensive answers to date (sneak peek: yes, they’re cleaner by 50 percent). Here’s what we’ve found…
- From cradle to grave, battery-electric vehicles are cleaner. On average, battery electric vehicles (BEVs) representative of those sold today produce less than half the global warming emissions of comparable gasoline-powered vehicles, even when the higher emissions associated with BEV manufacturing are taken into consideration. Based on modeling of the two most popular BEVs available today and the regions where they are currently being sold, excess manufacturing emissions are offset within 6 to 16 months of driving.
- EVs are now driving cleaner than ever before. Driving an average EV results in lower global warming emissions than driving a gasoline car that gets 50 miles per gallon (MPG) in regions covering two-thirds of the U.S. population, up from 45 percent in our 2012 report. Based on where EVs are being sold in the United States today, the average EV driving on electricity produces global warming emissions equal to a gasoline vehicle with a 68 MPG fuel economy rating.
- EVs will become even cleaner as more electricity is generated by renewable sources of energy. In a grid composed of 80 percent renewable electricity, manufacturing a BEV will result in an over 25 percent reduction in emissions from manufacturing and an 84 percent reduction in emissions from driving—for an overall reduction of more than 60 percent (compared with a BEV manufactured and driven today).
Using the figure for an average annual EV electricity consumption of 2268kWh, what does this equate to with ‘other appliances’?
Based on the government mandated labels for the annualised average kWh used by electrical appliances, an annual electricity consumption of 2268kWh by an EV equals the annual usage of …
- 10 x 1.5 star 4.5kg tumble driers1
- 5 x 4.5 star 450L refrigerators2
- 6 x 2.5 star 665L refrigerators3
- 7 x 3 star 14kg front loading washing machines4
- Up to 25% less than the average annual energy use for an in-ground swimming pool (NOT including pool heating)
Why not just wait for the Hydrogen car to come and save us all?We have been told Hydrogen cars are coming to saving us all, just keep buying petrol petrol cars in 10 years hydrogen cars will be here. It was not true 40 years ago, its not true 20 years ago and its not true now. What they dont tell you is that Hydrogen is not a fuel, its energy storage. And the car is really just an electric car, with the same electric motor as an electric car. It also have a battery just a lot smaller. They battery is then charged with a generator burning the hydrogen turning it in to electricity.
Hydrogen might make sense in planes and ships. But not for person transportation on the ground.
The bad:
- Uses 3-4 times more power pr. mile/km driven.
- Can't be charged in your own garage, you need to go to a facility and they are few and far apart.
- It cost 6-8 times more then electricity pr. mile/km driven.
- Only Toyota begives in Hydrogen so only one vendor.
The good:
- Its still 0 local emissions. (but 3-4 times more CO2, giving the same power mix is used as the electric car)
- Fast refill time. (But you need to drive to a place to refill it and right now there is very few places do do that. Also now the electric car is already charged from home only needing to charge on long trips with 20 minutes stops that you properly need anyway to get some food, drinks and use the restroom.)
Rare earth minerals
Cobalt: Cobalt is used in Batteries today. But its being phased out. Its only 3% in a tesla battery today and next gen will be at 0% Elon Musk stated on twitter. You might have read that cobalt can be mined under very poor conditions. That is true for some mines, but this is something Tesla makes sure does not happen for Cobalt supplied to Tesla. See more hereAlso note that while Tesla and Panasonic are removing Cobalt from there products. The oil industri still uses it in large quantities and has no plans to find a replacement. See more here, So please stop using that against Tesla and other EV manufactures.
While Tesla’s responsible sourcing practices apply to all materials and
supply chain partners, we recognize the conditions associated with
select artisanal mining (ASM) of cobalt in the Democratic Republic of
the Congo (DRC). To assure the cobalt in Tesla’s supply chain does not
come from ASM sites, we have implemented targeted due diligence
procedures for cobalt sourcing.
We have visited many cobalt mines and processing plants that
support Tesla’s main supply chain, as well as potential future suppliers
throughout the world. We discuss with these suppliers the major risks
they face and the practices they have implemented to mitigate these
risks. Safeguards include chain of custody controls and iterative
checks performed from mining through customer delivery to combat
illegal or artisanal ore use; on-site security and access control; hiring
practices and management engagement to protect against child labor
onsite; internal and third-party audit practices; and engagement with
local communities to maintain a positive social license to operate.
Can the electrical grid handle the load? Whats smart grid?
Yes as mentioned before an electric car uses less power then running a swimmingpool. Electric cars will not be a problem.Smart grid will actually be helping stabilize the electrical system, using services like True Energy charging can be started when to much power is available in the system, also making the power cheaper and be stopped if there is less and its getting more expensive. Benefirting both the grid and the EV owner.
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